Somebloke
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systemd
I'm new to Arch Linux, as of about 6 months ago, and I'm trying to understand why people dislike systemd? I pickup on people moaning about it, but I can't seem to find out why they don't like it specifically.- What are the other options which could be used instead of systemd?
- Why is it so common if people are not happy with it?
- Are there any security concerns on systems which run systemd?

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I've never had a problem with systemd service management, but I've had a major problem with systemd-udevd's lack of configurability (combined with libinput's lack of configurability) making it impossible to load my Logitech wireless touchpad the way I want to. There's no way to use the touchpad without having a dead "palm rejection zone" around the entire perimeter of the device. From what I remember, libinput only allows reading the desired dead zone in from udevd, and udevd hard-codes the dead zone, meaning if I wanted to remove it, I'd have to patch and manually recompile systemd with every minor update, which is enough of an inconvenience that I just don't use the touchpad much.
I've seen others have issues configuring systemd-resolved (with or without systemd-networkd), and I've also seen plenty of interesting quirks in the systemd-boot bootloader's behavior. If these components were separated out, it would be feasible for alternatives with easier configuration to exist (see GRUB or rEFInd instead of systemd-boot.) Once people decide a systemd component is "good enough" to use by default, or it becomes too complicated to make an alternative, you can end up with subpar components as the only option available.
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What I understand is that the creators have been aiming to "unify" and "streamline" all distros for bootstrap and process management since it's inception. That leads to things becoming more and more proprietary and less and less open source. My observation, at least. It seems like monopoly play to me how hard Lennart Poettering and his like-minded companions push for it.
Add to that, Google wants bits and bytes in every nook and cranny of everything with an internet connection. I don't trust anything or anyone in the industry anymore. I kinda see Red Hat as a sellout in several ways. But who's gonna turn down an Alphabet check?
It just seems like systemd is slowly nudging Linux into the direction that most users adopted Linux to escape in the first place. Am I wrong about any of this? Some days I feel like I'm going insane… 😅
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